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Stewards of Our Industry

Ranchers have been mostly good stewards of their land and livestock, but what about their industry?

By Gilles Stockton

As I sit here contemplating how to begin this essay, the driving rhythm of Sonny and Cher’s hit “The De -Beat Goes On,” is stuck in my head.  The debate goes on – with precious little communication. In an excellent article by Kayla Sargent (“Forget Counting Carbs, Count CarbON Footprint,” Western Ag Reporter, Vol 12, No. 18, January 30, 2020), Kayla focuses on exposing a marketing effort by a manufacturer of fake meat, which uses suspect data to claim that their product is more carbon-friendly than real beef.

In her article, Ms. Sargent enlists the work of Dr. Alan Roetz, whose recalculations show that the amounts of greenhouse gas attributed to livestock has been highly overestimated. However, Dr. Roetz ultimately concludes that “Everybody is coming up with their meaningless numbers and trying to compare everybody else’s meaningless numbers.” What I think he means is that everyone who has entered this controversy is out to prove their particular point of view, and ends up measuring greenhouse gas emissions in a way that promotes their own conclusions.  Apples are not being compared to apples.

The genesis of this argument is a report, “Livestock’s Long Shadow,” published by the Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) in 2006. Dr. Roetz complains that this report’s original calculations are flawed and points out that the report was never peer-reviewed. I am not sure that “Livestock’s Long Shadow” was ever written to be an academic paper.  It is more of a synthesis paper to be used by economic development professionals in their work to improve livestock production practices in underdeveloped areas of the world.  The report contrasts developed countries’ livestock production with that which is happening in the less economically developed areas. It explores both realities and contrasts both their good and bad aspects.

Coincidently I was actually provided an advance copy by FAO and asked to informally comment. At the time I was on an assignment in Djibouti and preoccupied with trying to salvage a livestock marketing project for the United States Agency for International Development (USAID).  As such, I did not give the report much attention but remember that there were things with which I agreed and others that I thought were questionable.  In my wildest imagination, I would never have dreamed that “Livestock’s Long Shadow,” would become some kind of a bible for extremists bent on destroying animal agriculture in the United States.

The misuse of this report comes from two distinct groups, who probably also have considerable ideological differences with each other. The extreme Vegans want to prove that their diet is more environmentally “holy” than that which we carnivores inflict on the world. Then we have the people who are obsessed with replacing livestock on public lands with even more wildlife. They read in the report a vindication that livestock, especially cows, are the cause of global warming. Apparently, they do not realize that wildlife also emits greenhouse gases. Both of these anti-cow factions exhibit a singular ignorance of basic biology.

The big tit for tat debate between the anti-cow people and the US livestock industry comes because each side is trying to determine the exact level of carbon dioxide (CO2) and methane that is being emitted by cows. These numbers are then compared to other sources of greenhouse gases and the conclusion either looks worse for cows or conversely not quite so bad. Dr Roetz makes a good stab at coming up with an accurate figure, but as discussed above, he suspects that apples are not being compared to apples.

I would, however, pose another question. Does it really matter if livestock’s contribution of anthropogenic greenhouse emissions is as high as 14% or as low as 5%, if there is little we can do about it either way? There are, in my way of thinking, more important questions that both sides in this argument are ignoring. The irony is that the authors of “Livestock’s Long Shadow,” were trying to get people to think about these exact issues.

Middle School Earth Science

We need to back up here a little and review why cows emit greenhouse gases.  We all remember the term photosynthesis from middle school earth science.  Through the process of photosynthesis, green plants use the energy from the sun to take carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and water from the ground and combine them into molecules of sugar. In this biochemical reaction, oxygen is released into the atmosphere. Within the plant, the sugar is bonded into chains, either as starch or as cellulose. Starch is highly digestible and forms the basis of many of our favorite foods, such as the bun in a hamburger and the French fries that go with it.

Cellulose, however, is not very digestible and its main function is to provide the plant a skeleton. In simple stomach omnivorous animals, such as humans, pigs, and bears, cellulose once consumed pretty much goes out the other end. Nutritionists remind us that most of us need more fiber in our diets because it keeps us regular, but cellulose itself does little to meet our metabolic needs. However, there are a whole host of herbivorous animals that are adapted to consuming cellulose. Their digestive systems break the chains back to sugar, and the sugar into smaller molecules, which in turn enters their cells to fuel their metabolism.

Foremost among these animals are ruminants. In animals with this type of digestive system there are four stomachs in a row; the biggest one – the rumen – is a fermentation vat.  Ruminant animals consume grass and other types of plants, grind it up with their teeth and swallow it into their rumens where microbes go to work digesting the disgusting looking and smelling mash into its component chemicals. The key here is that the animal may consume the grass but microbes do the digestion.

Digestion of cellulose (and starch) is the reverse of photosynthesis. The tough chains of cellulose are broken down into their component parts of sugar, which is ultimately broken down to carbon dioxide and water. The energy released by this process is captured to fuel the animal’s metabolic needs. Oxygen is required for all of this to happen and that oxygen comes from what is breathed in. On the exhalation, however, animals release carbon dioxide. Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas.

Ruminants are a numerous class of animals that includes cows, sheep, and goats, and also includes elk, deer, antelopes, and bison.  All of these consume cellulose and exhale carbon dioxide.  Ruminants are, however, not the only class of animals that consume cellulose. Among the higher-order, who have yet a different type of digestive system, are rabbits, horses, and elephants. There are even smaller organisms, such as grasshoppers, termites, and dung beetles all of whom consume cellulose, but in all cases, it is actually microbes that do the work of digestion. Finally, we should not forget that the fungi and microbes residing in the soil, totally on their own without the benefit of a host animal, are also busily working away to reduce cellulose to its component parts of water and carbon dioxide.

Over most of the terrestrial world, plants are growing, and each one has a cellulose body. Over each yearly cycle, most, of that cellulose is degraded back to carbon dioxide and water. If cows and other livestock were somehow made to disappear from the grasslands, something would inevitably consume that grass all the same. The amount of carbon dioxide from cellulose degradation would not be changed.

There are, however, some complicating factors because nothing is ever just that neat.  Methane is also produced and emitted during the digestion of cellulose. Methane is also a byproduct of cellulose digestion but by a different type of microbe, which also lives in the guts of all of these plant-eating animals.  According to climate scientists, methane is a much stronger greenhouse gas, although after ten or twelve years in the atmosphere the methane too, degrades to carbon dioxide.

Different animals have different propensities to produce methane, and ruminants are among those that produce the most. Cows, as we have learned, are ruminants but so are deer and bison.  Other major methane producers include grasshoppers, cockroaches, dung beetles, and termites. Many people in North America think of termites as insidious little creatures that will eat your house from the inside out. However, in much of the world, Africa for instance, termites are major consumers of plant materials.  On the plains of East Africa, termite mounds are as big as elephants with multiple chimneys that can reach up to fifteen feet.

Billions of these hard-working blind critters spread out underground from each of these mounds to consume all of the vegetation they can manage. Following each rainy season, it is a race between the terrestrial animals to get to the grass and shrubs before the termites finish it off.  But termites are not the only insect competitors. This year, as you might have heard on the news, swarms of desert locusts are rampaging across East Africa consuming everything upon which they land. Swarming grasshoppers leave behind a totally barren landscape, starving people, and a plume of methane.

In a simplistic world, one could eliminate cows, and the threat of global warming would go away. Unfortunately, it does not work that way. We have focused, here, on just the methane produced directly by animals but even more, methane comes from the mud in swamps, rice paddies, and manure lagoons.  Livestock, concentrated in confined animal feeding operations (CAFOs) put a lot of manure into those lagoons but so do six or seven billion people.

Grass, Trees, Crops, and Soils. 

One focus in the quest to slow the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere is to arrest the degradation of cellulose by either conserving it in living trees or as humous in the soil. Both of these approaches have promise but also face considerable challenges in implementation.

Plant growth is accelerated in conditions of warmth and moisture.  Global warming provides warmth and also provides more moisture, too often in the form of violent rainfall.  Warmth and moisture also accelerates the process of degradation of cellulose back to carbon dioxide. Ultimately this results in a net-zero balance because as much carbon dioxide is being returned to the atmosphere as is being removed.

Consider the ten-point eight percent (10.8%) of the world in cropland. If the soil humous could be doubled (by an increase from just one percent to two percent) that would be a lot of carbon dioxide stored in the soil.  However, it would be not really be stored, it would be cycled but at a slower rate. One could imagine that soil carbon could then be doubled again to 4% -ad infinitum.  However, things usually don’t work that way. Each incremental increase in soil carbon sequestration would be more and more difficult to attain.

Remember too, that this is cropland we are talking about because at the same time as we are storing carbon in the soil, we are harvesting edible food upon which humanity depends. The two are not opposed to each other, after all, better soils yield better crops, but this all needs doing within the reality of the current economic system.  If the farmer does not have the economic ability to worry about building soil fertility, it won’t get done.  Purists might want to believe that good food comes only from natural farming methods, but the plain fact is that fertilizers, herbicides, and pesticides work.

Now consider the thirty-point five percent (30.5%) of the world in forests.  It is quite clear that as a tree grows larger, more and more cellulose is locked up in its bulk.  Some species of trees can live a really really long time. But the work of centuries can be destroyed in just one day, as many people in the Rocky Mountains and Pacific Coasts (and Australia) have learned over the past few years.

Strong emotions and wishful thinking stopped logging over a vast area of the western United States. Citing the protection of old-growth forests, saving the Spotted Owl, the unsightliness of clear cuts, and that logging disturbance may allow silt runoff into streams to harm spawning fish – timber harvests have been effectively stopped on US Forest Service lands. The ultimate result of this effort to preserve the forests has been the worst fires that people have witnessed in modern times.  The counter-argument has been made that if nature had been allowed to function as nature is supposed to, little fires would have cleaned forests of excess fuel. The assumption is that a healthy forest may not burn with the intensities we have recently witnessed.

But there is an element of hypocrisy within these arguments. Much of that thinking comes from within the comfortable confines of a home built of wood. There is the rub.  People are living here and many are living within the forests. Some might argue that there are too many people, but nonetheless they cannot all be ignored. Forests provide practical needs such as shelter, and emotional needs such as a place for peaceful contemplation. They can also help mitigate global warming. The three are not incompatible but to do all of it in a sustainable manner requires careful management. Just letting forests run wild, as has been the defacto policy, has been shown to not work. Forestry management based on hysteria, wishful thinking, and an incomplete understanding of the biological forces at work, is destined to fail.

The FAO tells us that twenty-six-point six percent (26.6%) of the world are grasslands, the natural habitat of most of the herbivore species, including livestock. In the past, a good bit of what we now classify as crop land used to be grasslands, and over much of that land, particularly in the temperate zone, thousands of years of soil accumulation resulted in very deep soil profiles.

Farming in essence mines that accumulated topsoil when less carbon is returned to the soil then what naturally degrades. Poor farming practices also wastes soil to wind and water erosion. In developed countries, this is mostly a problem of the past, but again adverse economic realities push farmers to cut corners. If this disincentive is to change, then consumers too must take ownership of an agricultural market system that is rigged against farmers.

These are very complex social and ecological issues. Prevention and mitigation of soil loss is by no means clear or simple. We are told that the Sahara Desert was once a vast mixed acacia and grass savannah, but the climate changed. No one is responsible for having caused that, but cultures do not always adapt to changing circumstances in constructive ways.

Ironically, I have been party to some of the recent ecological degradation of the Horn of Africa (HOA).  My job over a fifty-year period was to advance a market system for livestock within the HOA and to foster an export demand in the Middle East. For thousands of years, pastoral nomads in Africa subsisted from their livestock.  There was no market. People lived or died from what they raised. Over those thousands of years, the pastoral people of the Horn of Africa came to a rough equilibrium between themselves, their livestock, the wildlife, and the limitations that their corner of the world had to offer.

By introducing a cash market, people could for the first time buy necessary items from the outside – like soap powder. A nomad woman can sell a goat, and buy a large carton of soap powder, which she can divide and sell to her friends and family – just like Amway. With those proceeds, she is able to buy two goats, which she can sell after transporting them to a larger market. With that money, she not only can buy another carton of soap powder and also a dozen plastic flip flops, which she can sell at a gathering of her clan at the water hole.

Now this mother has a small amount of money put aside, that when her child is sick, she can purchase medication from the rudimentary pharmacy that has opened in a nearby village. The shop is there because there is now enough money in circulation to allow a shop keeper to offer medicine to the nomadic people.

You might think that I am exaggerating, but this is exactly the economic transition that I have witnessed over the half a century that I have intermittently worked in Africa. Without the development of a market economy, this is not possible.  But other things, out of mine or anyone’s control also happened.

Populations grew. Civil strife exacerbated by drought, also increased. Hundreds of thousands of people have been displaced, disrupting the relative stability that centuries of tradition had imposed on these people.  No traditional internal order, no external order because of remote non-responsive corrupt government – people are left to survive as best they can. Criminals and religious extremists take over.

Somali’s have a gift with words, and a friend once made this poignant observation: “Poor people eat trees.”  What he meant is that women in refugee camps by necessity must gather firewood to cook the commodity food donated by the international relief agencies.  Hundreds of thousands of refugee families have stripped the land bare of all trees in wide circles around their tent refugee cities.

Meanwhile, their men, having lost their livestock to theft or drought, resort to the only income-generating occupation available to them – the production of charcoal.  The acacia trees are cut down, converted to charcoal in pits in the ground, and the bags of charcoal accompany the sheep and goats on their export trips to Saudi Arabia.  The Princes get both their meat and their cooking fires from the Horn of Africa, and in the process, the land is destroyed. Poor people eat trees!

If you take from this narrative that it was a mistake to create the cash market for livestock, then you are missing the point.  Environmental degradation comes from poverty and bad government. Toss in an increasingly unstable climate and we have a disaster unfolding before our eyes.  The humble cow and her gaseous bowels is a factor but by no means the most important.

Culpability

Before we get too self-congratulatory, we, livestock producers should examine our own culpability. So far, I have focused on those who are misusing this FAO report to condemn animal agriculture, but what about those of us who raise livestock? Are we as innocent as we like to think we are? There are things happening in US agriculture that are just plain wrong.

Consider the depletion of the Ogallala aquifer which stretches from South Dakota to Texas or the diversion of the Colorado River into the desert of Arizona. Farmers are pumping the Ogallala dry to raise corn that no one needs.  Stopping the flow of the Colorado to irrigate the desert in the hottest place in the United States is another waste of a precious resource.

We, in the cow/calf part of the cattle business, are happy when corn prices go down and worried when they go up.  Cheap corn, as the conventional wisdom goes, means higher prices for feeder calves.  That may be true during the brief period when corn prices are in transition down, but we tend to ignore the fact that cheap corn means cheap grass.  Ranchers are in the grass selling business, and when corn prices are chronically below the cost of production, the market pushes us to raise more cows in order to sell more calves because our grass is also undervalued.

But consider what would happen if corn prices were high, as they were ten years back.  There was an incentive to keep calves to sell as yearlings because our grass was worth more. More yearlings meant fewer mama cows which meant higher prices for calves. Cheap corn means more chickens, more pigs, and cheap cattle.

So what does draining the Ogallala Aquifer mean to us as a consequence of growing more corn? It means a beef packing cartel, the disappearance of independent feedlots, and a non-competitive dysfunctional market. Ultimately it means the loss of independence on our ranches while our rural communities, along with the schools and services, just dry up and blow away like tumbleweeds.

What are the consequences for the rest of the nation? It means the disappearance of a precious water resource on a crop that is already in surplus. It means larger and larger feedlots, with more and more manure to be managed. It means social instability as chicken, hog, and packing plant workers struggle to survive on starvation wages. And, when they can’t work anymore, these people are kicked out in the streets for the taxpayers to pick up the bill.

What does drying up the Colorado mean?  It means that water is sprinkled over the desert to grow alfalfa to feed milk cows which produce more surplus milk.  It was not enough that dairies concentrate five thousand cows, they are building new dairies that milk one hundred thousand head. Consider this, for every one hundred thousand head dairy, four hundred family dairies go broke. Instead of dispersing the manure that dairy cows make over the entire country, each mega-dairy concentrates it all into an unmanageable mess.  My aunt would have said that this is all “bass-ackwards.”

The family farm dairies of Wisconsin are in crisis because the price of milk is untenably low because, we are told, there is a surplus of milk.  We are also told to rejoice that the recently re-negotiated NAFTA treaty will allow the export of milk to Canada.  But will that export save the Wisconsin dairies? More likely milk will be shipped from Arizona and will result in the demise of dairy farmers in Ontario and Quebec. Who profits? Certainly not the Wisconsin dairy farmers, or the rural communities where they live, or the family dairy farmers of Canada.

And that is the point, who profits from what we now take as normal in the market structure of American agriculture? In beef packing, it is a pair of Brazilian criminals. For pork, it is the Communist Government of China. It is also hedge fund managers in Wall Street. Do you think that any one of them wastes even one second thinking about the consequences of their policies on Grass Range, Montana, or for any of the other small cow towns?

Everyone that I know with a ranch, takes seriously their obligation as stewards of the land. As I drive down the highway, it all looks good.  The quality of the calves in the market is amazing. The mama cows lined up behind the guy unrolling bales are in great shape and ready to drop new calves. We are exceptional stewards of the land and animals under our care. However, we are total failures as stewards of our industry.

Gilles Stockton

Grass Range, Montana

February 9, 2020

 

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An American Crime Family

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A Recap of the fight to restore COOL in 2019

January 6, 2020

Cattle producers now have the dubious distinction of being betrayed by the President and both political parties.  There was no Country of Origin Labeling (COOL) in the recent vote by the House of Representatives to re-do the NAFTA agreement. This would have been the most logical place to reinstate COOL. Unless the Senate restores COOL when they vote in early 2020, American consumers will continue to be ignorant of the true origin of their beef purchases and cattle producers will continue to have beef and cattle imports killing the market.

The original NAFTA agreement sacrificed two broad segments of Americans – factory workers and cattle producers. We know how that worked out for the factory workers; their jobs were outsourced to Mexico. We also know how NAFTA allows a flood of unpriced “captive supply” cattle and beef from Canada and Mexico, to depress the domestic market.

Many of us were hopeful that President Trump would restore COOL in his effort to reform NAFTA, which he characterized as the worst trade deal ever.  Unfortunately, for all of his political bluster and fireworks, the newly renegotiated NAFTA (United States Mexico Canada Agreement – USMCA) is nearly identical to the old NAFTA.  This past summer, cattle producers made a heroic effort to appeal directly to the President but with no success. The House Democrats, however, did add some provisions favorable to the labor unions, but again no COOL.

The NAFTA II/USMCA must still be ratified in the Senate, where we have six declared champions (Senators Tester, Rounds, Thune, Klobuchar, Warren, and Booker).  We need to encourage these Senators to recruit more of their colleagues.  A phone call or email is cheap and does not take much time. Take the time, it may help and can’t hurt.

Predictably the National Cattlemen’s Beef Association (NCBA), the Montana Stockgrowers Association (MSGA), and the Farm Bureau (FB) continue to team up to oppose COOL every chance they have.  Even when their own organizational policies, ratified by their own members, clearly support COOL.

This was the case this past spring in the Montana Legislature when MT-COOL bills sponsored by Senator Al Olszewski and Representative Brad Hamlett did not receive traction because of opposition from the MSGA and the Farm Bureau.  Mt-COOL was defended by the Montana Cattlemen’s Association (MCA), the Montana Farmers Union, and Northern Plains Resource Council, but these organizations could not overcome the built-in partisanship of the Montana Legislature.  There are a number of Montana’s legislators who should be ashamed of themselves.

Jennifer Houston, President of the NCBA, says of the recent House vote, that “Today was a crucial win for all U.S. beef producers and a reassurance that U.S. beef will continue to have duty-free access to Canada and Mexico.” The vote changed nothing in the cross-border cattle trade, so there is nothing for cattle producers to feel grateful for. The NCBA has a long history of accenting only the export side of the balance sheet and completely ignoring imports. But the fact is we import a lot more cattle and beef than we export to Canada and Mexico, and these imports clearly affect the market for the worse.

In 2018 Cattle exports to Canada and Mexico were only 11.9% of imports. The USDA trade figures say that we imported 630,736 head from Canada and 1,218,236 from Mexico, while exports to Canada was 197,831 and only 21,916 to Mexico. As for dressed beef we imported 343,466,000 lbs. more than we exported, the equivalent of another 570,000 head.

The issue of COOL goes beyond the fact that the cattle market is being manipulated and that consumers are being defrauded, it is also about democracy and national sovereignty. When Congress in 2015 folded, following a World Trade Organization (WTO) ruling against COOL, they rescinded COOL only for beef and pork. All other labeling requirements remained in force including poultry, seafood, fruit, vegetables, and clothing. None of these commodities were affected by the WTO ruling and there is no ongoing effort to outlaw labeling for any other imports.

Most countries have labeling requirements, so why was beef and pork imports to the United States singled out. Obviously, there is no principle that the WTO was upholding.  That leaves only corruption pure and simple to explain the WTO ruling.  And it can only be the money and influence wielded by the packer cartel that prevented the President and the House of Representatives from including COOL in the re-negotiated NAFTA.

Cattle prices are bad.  Equity is being drained from cattle producers all across this nation and beginning ranchers are having some tough discussions with their bankers.  The future of our rural communities is in jeopardy. Reinstating COOL will not solve everything that is wrong with the cattle market but it sure would be a good start.  We need labels that proudly proclaims:

Gilles Stockton

Grass Range, Mt 59032

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Food Maven – A Force for Good, or a Curse?

The Dollar store equivalent for used and excess food – Food Maven warehouse in Colorado Springs 

Hello Tamara, 

Contrary to the positive theme of your Colorado Sun article, Food Maven is not a new innovative way to reduce food waste. They have simply diverted the value in excess food into their own bank account, leaving the hungry still hungry and local/regional food producers without a fair market. Business models like Food Maven, as with Dollar stores, are a direct threat to local and national food security as well as our food sovereignty. 

The IRS allows highly profitable big-box Food Maven suppliers a profit after taxes (Big Hunger) on food donations. This creates an increased demand for the highly subsidized, chemical-intensive, industrially produced food that is destroying our environment, decimating our rural communities, and blocking market access for the most ideal regenerative farmers and ranchers. The Food Maven model rewards overproduction. Allowing for-profit companies to make money on their excess food only incentivizes poor inventory management and increases waste overall. 

To hear the Colorado College/Bon Appetit Sous chef, Matt Butler, say it’s his “moral” responsibility to feed students cheap industrially produced food waste is outrageous. Colorado College students pay a high price for their meal plan that once promised to include real food — “Real food that truly nourishes producers, consumers, communities, and the earth.” They now eat Food Maven’s second-hand, below-cost-of-production food from whichever retailer had extra the week before. It’s nothing short of bait and switch

Colorado College’s food management company, Bon Appetit, once purchased nearly $600,000 per year in local food from my company, Ranch Foods Direct. Today the number is zero. You mentioned Regis University, a Bon Appetit managed account, is buying beef from Food Maven. Regis is and has been, a long-time valued customer of Ranch Foods Direct. Beef is what we do best.

Recently, I spent a few days with Nicholas Shaxson, the author of a new book, The Finance Curse: How Global Finance is Making Us All Poorer. Food Maven exemplifies that same “curse” with their slick techy intrusion into, and wealth extraction from, our nation’s farming and food industries. In the end, we all lose when the economy is driven by a mindset of no-rules, price-shopping-consumerism, profit-over-people, and when the biggest cheater is allowed to win. 

“It was easier just to take the stuff home and feed it to my pigs. I got more value that way,” stated Arkansas Valley Organic Growers (AVOG) founding member, Doug Wiley, about Food Maven. AVOG announced its dissolution on Thanksgiving Day. Doug, and the other AVOG farmers and I were part of the team that convinced Colorado College more than ten years ago to replace Sodexo with the purportedly more locally focused and sustainable Bon Appetit. 

Probably forty years ago, I met a farmer from New York state that said, “It only takes one box of lettuce in excess of demand to destroy the price for lettuce.” He was right. Except now instead of a box of lettuce, with companies like Food Maven we have corporate-sponsored food policy that intentionally produces truckloads of excess food, which depresses the prices farmers receive and drives them out of business. That farmer’s practice for his perishable products was to plant as close to the expected demand as possible and regenerate the soil with the excess, not let it bankrupt him. 

People need to know how they can support a food system that feeds all of us – one that supports food workers, and a food system that regenerates our rural communities by providing a livable income for the family farmers and ranchers who provide good care for our animals and our environment. Food Maven isn’t it! 

Also see: In fight against food waste, FoodMaven could do more harm than good

Mike Callicrate

Colorado Springs, Colorado

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